Obama on Debt Ceiling 2007

[mgstei1]

medical insurance, sick days, pensions, over 8 hrs in day is 1.5 pay ,(most nonunion companies require 40hrs 1st),double time on Sundays and holidays, meal allowances on overtime after 8hrs, vacation time, annuity plans or 401, are a few benefits that unions fought for in the last 40-50 years. And unions kept companies from taking away the 40hr/8hr day. These are a "few" things but very important things for earners. If you are working for any company and not receiving these benefits than its time for you to rethink why you are working in the 1st place. And oh yeah, no one earns anything by themselves or build a company by themselves. Barry is right about that in spite of the far right thinking. WE are ALL in this together.

[boom]

Go to Chicago and Detroit and tell me again how great unions and democrats are. What a joke.

[Robalo]

medical insurance, sick days, pensions, over 8 hrs in day is 1.5 pay ,(most nonunion companies require 40hrs 1st),double time on Sundays and holidays, meal allowances on overtime after 8hrs, vacation time, annuity plans or 401, are a few benefits that unions fought for in the last 40-50 years. And unions kept companies from taking away the 40hr/8hr day. These are a "few" things but very important things for earners. If you are working for any company and not receiving these benefits than its time for you to rethink why you are working in the 1st place. And oh yeah, no one earns anything by themselves or build a company by themselves. Barry is right about that in spite of the far right thinking. WE are ALL in this together.

Unions are a bane on today's society and take away from Free Enterprise. I worked in a Union-was corrupt, was all political on who got what jobs, they didn't give a rat's butt about any worker and I personally evidenced that and dispise Unions and what they do-they increase the cost of goods and services to the detriment of the Economy.

Taxing the "Big Corporations and rich" is your solution. That is proven to cause contraction of the Economy. Further, any simpleton knows that taxes are a part of the cost of goods manufactured - just like wages, bldgs. and supplies-and ALL those costs are passed onto the consumer. So MG, you are saying tax the helloutta the corporations and expect them to not add the tax charge to the cost of their goods? If so, you failed Economics 101 in High School, just like Comrade Obama. Plus, this is the USA, not Russia, Cuba or China and your posts reflect pure socialism-you appear to have no idea how the economy works, but you parrot Comrade Obama quite well-he doesn't know squat about the economy either-he just says "Free Crap for everyone" and then gives billions to his buddies while snickering all the time. He sure has you and the non-paying 53% in his pocket-right next to his snotty hankerchief. "Gimme Gimme Gimme" should be the Dems slogan in 2016.

[Oleander Kayaker]

Good response Robalo.
To add, Obummercare actually takes away from all these, claimed, hard won union benefits by creating a disincentive for hiring fulltime labor. As a result, part time labor may not get the 401k, vacation time, etc.

The unintended consequences of government (and union) meddling in a free economy, erodes the economy and degrades the standard of living over time. WE can't compete in a global economy with this kind of socialist policy.

medical insurance, sick days, pensions, over 8 hrs in day is 1.5 pay ,(most nonunion companies require 40hrs 1st),double time on Sundays and holidays, meal allowances on overtime after 8hrs, vacation time, annuity plans or 401, are a few benefits that unions fought for in the last 40-50 years. And unions kept companies from taking away the 40hr/8hr day. These are a "few" things but very important things for earners. If you are working for any company and not receiving these benefits than its time for you to rethink why you are working in the 1st place. And oh yeah, no one earns anything by themselves or build a company by themselves. Barry is right about that in spite of the far right thinking. WE are ALL in this together.

[mgstei1]

I have always been able to tell when a discussion turns to name calling (especially the President of the United States) and talking points that have no basis or factual backup. Fox news and Limbaugh and conservative talk radio also gets in peoples minds. I hear the same ol same ol all the time from conservatives. Right to Work Texas companies may and do whatever they want to their employees. The income inequality in OUR nation is getting further and further apart even during a recession. Be careful what you wish for and believe to be facts. Pray for the middleclass!!

[Ibtsoom]

Be careful what you wish for and believe to be facts.

mgs I would caution you to heed your own advice as well --- as it seems that you have the impression that everyone that is not you - is wrong. There are other perspectives aside from your own that may by chance have either advanced insight into the subject or subjects at hand or even just a better vantage point. Not saying that's me by any means but from my vantage point, you're as radically askew to the left as any radical right winger is to the right.

[boom]

I have always been able to tell when a discussion turns to name calling (especially the President of the United States) and talking points that have no basis or factual backup. Fox news and Limbaugh and conservative talk radio also gets in peoples minds. I hear the same ol same ol all the time from conservatives. Right to Work Texas companies may and do whatever they want to their employees. The income inequality in OUR nation is getting further and further apart even during a recession. Be careful what you wish for and believe to be facts. Pray for the middleclass!!

Show me a middle class in Detroit or Michigan or any union or democrat state.

[Curmudgeon]

Ha ! No one is going to change views at this stage .
Let the fur fly here but put down the knives on the water and let the talk be lies about who caught the most , best fish . HAR !

Indeed! Haven't y'all put this thing to bed yet?

[Cuda340]

Thirty three years an upstanding Union member at the job I retired from almost two years ago. Steward most of those years, sent to the National several times as a rep for the Local, asked to run for President of the Local several times...so I have a solid background in "The Union". BUT....
Towards the end of that career I, as others, became very disheartened with the "Left Leaning" rhetoric that was coming out of the National. Every time I received the AFL-CIO paper or the National CWA rag it made me sick. Bring more members in from fields and occupations that had nothing to do with the field we were in just to boost the membership. Make sure to support anything to do with illegals,etc.
Granted, back in the early days there was a place for such representation, but these days I would just as soon keep my membership dues and have a good working relationship with the company that I work for.
The one that is good enough to keep their jobs here in the States and not ship them overseas. The one that moves here to Texas to get away from those left leaning crazies that want to tax the crap out of them in other states.

Pretty sad that after having been so involved all those years organizing and doing what I thought was the right thing for my "Brothers and Sisters" we that retired a short time ago haven't heard a bloody thing out of either the Local or the National to ask how we are doing. Guess when the dues stop coming in they are done with you!!

EDIT: Fished this past weekend with not much luck. Hitting it again tomorrow!

[Ibtsoom]

And here we have an open minded person with a fresh perspective. Thanks Cuda!

[S-troop]

And here we have an open minded person with a fresh perspective. Thanks Cuda!

X2. Been there done that.


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[kenny]

Indeed! Haven't y'all put this thing to bed yet?

No we can't, because I love this country too much to watch it being wrecked by the federal government and it's policies. The evidence of the degradation of American values and customs is obvious. We're in a culture war Bruce, and it's not a game.

[Curmudgeon]

The evidence of the degradation of American values and customs is obvious. We're in a culture war Bruce, and it's not a game.

Kenny,
Couldn't agree with this statement more. Too bad you're oblivious to the American values of civility and tolerance. Too bad.

[Robalo]

When Comrade Obama spews the BS from his mouth on matters such as Trayvon Martin being "like his son" and the POTUS "supposedly" has a J.D. in Constitutional Law, one would expect that a lawyer in Constitutional Law would be more sensitive to the phrase "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" but instead makes racist comments in lieu of proper comments that Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty and let the Courts and Justice System solve the matter, where is "civility and tolerance"? The POTUS himself evidences a complete disdain for "tolerance and civility", so why shouldn't anyone be extremely discouraged by the current administration and its actions and a true US Citizen should stand up and object to the BS from Obama and his cronies. Disdain and disrespect for the Supreme Court Justices because he didn't like their ruling, Fast & furious, Solyndra, Soros, pushing ideas that are pure Marxism, playing favorites with Unions while screwing non-union employees at the same companies (such as secretaries and low-end management staff) and Benghazi where he let our US Citizens and Ambassador Stevens die when they (Obama and Clinton) knew of the beginning of the attack and did nothing-how farging sad and disgusting. The POTUS is absolutely a liar and a dirty politician that never held a private sector job and lives off the Government teat to get where he is and is so GD stupid that he believes he knows "economics" when in fact he has no clue. I believe he should resign or be impeached-he certainly gets zero respect from me and that is because of his actions.

[JT]

Really Kenny!!! youre so insensitive and intolerant; didnt you know that this country was built by Unions, people that sit around on their a$s's drawing a welfare check, immigrants from 3rd world countries etc..and all in spite of the greedy, evil, white businessman (who stole this land from the native and peaceful Indians) and, whos only purpose is to enhance wealth at the expense of the abovementioned?