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  • Paul Brown's jointed fatboys and sink rates

    Paul Brown's jointed fatboys and sink rates with and without his weight added to different baits.
    Relative test: fresh water, 4 ft depth, my count

    Base line:
    1 corky 51 with three hooks- 51 sank for me on a 4 count

    2 (Paul's old) regular corky fat boys both sank at a 5 count
    3 jointed Fat boys both sank at a 8 count without weight and 5 with wt
    4 catch 2000 All three sank on an 8 count with wt 5
    5 Catch 5 revised with Paul type rattles and no clack sank at a rate of 5 with wt
    6 large mirrodine with #2/0 gam hooks sank on 8 count 5 with wt
    7 storm regular knockoff single gam hooks sank on 5 count

    The jointed fatboy with out the weights looks great. no weight and reeled a little faster and they look like a broken back slithering across the top and has the slow sink if needed. Looks like a different bait with and without the weights depending on how you work it.

    My pet project was trying to fig out what to do with my catch baits. With the weight they sank similar to a regular fatboy.

    Earlier post:
    On the earlier click or clack posts most people do not seem to use the catch series of baits during the winter whether weighted to sink like a 51 or corky. Lot of our serious tournament type guys seem to think the corky is more reliable to sink rate and depth as compared and seems to suspend better than the 51 though I wonder just how the 51 would do without the middle hook.

    Too much time on my hands yesterday so I split a C2000 and Catch5.

    One had a 55 grain ss ball and the other a 45 grain ss ball.

    What is interesting is what they had for rattles:

    The catch 2000 has one copper bb inside.

    The catch 2000 Jr has 3 glass beads inside.

    Catch 5 has only the SS weight Ball and the chamber was extended so the ball can move to give you the clack sound that you hear.

    Did an access hole in the Catch 5 and the way the thing is made you cannot add individual bb's like some of the baits. BUT you can take some paper and jam the ball from clacking and add one of the large Academy and sealed with gel epoxy. Rattles make it sound like a 51 or corky type rattle. Will it help? At least my confidence. NO fun throwing a catch 5 wondering if it is getting down or the different rattle is working while your fishing buddy is kicking your butt with a corky of some type. It will make you change quickly.

    If you wanted to mess with the rattles in the Catch 2000 or jr an access hole can be drilled in the top ~3/4 from the front on the top and the rattles can be changed out. The bait is open in this area and the rattles are in the open area. Gel epoxy seems to work well to close the access hole. file/ sand lightly and color if needed.


  • #2
    Good info again
    MANVEL MOB

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    • #3
      Man you need a full time yob... LOL but good info none the less... Thanks
      We are West End Anglers, a saltwater tribe!

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      • #4
        Now you take all that info and add wind, current, salinity, line drag, grass, plus a barrel swivel and you'll still be hung in the shell.The best way to see how those Corky's really work is to spend about 500 hours working those baits in above mentioned conditions over shallow shell.Then you'll have some reliable data as to how to fish the magical famous Corky.The data looks good on paper gotta throw before you know.Good luck in your research!!!!
        Last edited by Sneekypete; January 3, 2011, 03:21 PM.

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        • #5
          I lost 3 yesterday in live oak bay... LOL I never really cared what the sink rate was... I had a corkey fatboy that would not sink due to the high salinity in Baffin Bay... I always used them trial & error... LOL I loose some tackle but the quality of the fish is much better when I use them... I am fixing to do nothing but throw fatboys once they cut the limit to 5 state wide...
          We are West End Anglers, a saltwater tribe!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sneekypete View Post
            Now you take all that info and add wind, current, salinity, line drag, grass, plus a barrel swivel and you'll still be hung in the shell.The best way to see how those Corky's really work is to spend about 500 hours working those baits in above mentioned conditions over shallow shell.Then you'll have some reliable data as to how to fish the magical famous Corky.The data looks good on paper gotta throw before you know.Good luck in your research!!!!
            Good post Sneekypete! You're obviously a Corky master. I really consider myself a novice, particularly with Fatboys.
            "GET OFF MY REEF!"

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            • #7
              It was more for me as a base line for me since I throw several different baits and my fishing buddy is a corky expert.
              I still want to catch fish on a catch 5 this winter. I got into a debate on why this bait looks good but most tournament guys throw a corky. Now I can see what the sink rate is and without the added weight and the bait never got down to the fish.

              Look at Paul's weight set up to sink a floater or to sink a regular corky in LLM.

              A floater with weight will sink about the same as a regular corky.

              I leave the treble on the front and went to a single hook on the back of my corky baits and it cut down on my oyster reef hangups quite a bit while still giving a better hook up for me vs two single hooks.

              Plastics are the same. I hang up a regular jig head all the time out on the shallow oyster reefs but fishing it weedless(texposed) with the weight on the hook cuts down my oyster reef hang ups about 90%. The down side is using a 1/16th wt in 3/0 wide gap hook will cause some misses on the heavier thicker baits since there is not enough hook to pop thru the larger baits and get a good fish stick..

              Yes I was off all week and that is too much free time when you cannot get to the bay and fish.

              Have a good one.

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              • #8
                Lots of info but what did you actually learn from this? There are many other variables that come into play that can change the sink rate. All that time you spent putting your lures in a pool you could have been out trying to catch fish.

                Something else that will change the sink rate on your corkys is how chewed up they get. Also if you want a floater to sink you can just change the hooks.

                Not to mention if you want a floater to sink just like an original then why not just throw the original?

                As far as debating the Catch 5 vs the Corky. Both are great baits. However a corky is so much more versatile. Small tweaks to the bait with out adding weight or changing hooks can completely change the action if needed.

                Good luck on your quest to catch a fish on the catch 5.

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                • #9
                  Great Info Jim!! I toy with baits occasionally in my pool, but much more on the water. I have a couple of buddies who really like the Catch Series, especially the 5. They think that the hook up ratio is better than with a Corky. I can't really comment much since I seem to be stuck on the Fatboy.

                  I fished the originals for years, then got hooked on the Fatboy due to the added casting distance. The quest for a giant trout forces us to cover a lot of water and a longer cast never hurts.

                  Like several comments above, conditions mean so much when fishing any of these baits. If I have to get something deeper in a strong current or wind, the 51MR comes out. The Corky, or Fatboy are much more the tunable finesse bait though. They have the versatility to get down 5 feet and suspend, as well as the ability to fish them over 1 foot of nasty shell. Both of the Corkies and the Catch series will give much better side to side movement, where the 51 series can often be more subtle.

                  They all have their place, and all catch fish. It tends to boil down to personal preference and experience with each.

                  If they would eat a superspook every day, I wouldn't even know how to spell Corky. haha!
                  http://www.theshallowist.com

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                  • #10
                    I'm gonna go test some tomorrow in the Galveston pool......

                    AQUA PIMP
                    AQUA PIMP......
                    "SALTWATER PIMP'N AIN'T EZ"

                    WWW.SALTWATERASSAULT.NET

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sneekypete View Post
                      Now you take all that info and add wind, current, salinity, line drag, grass, plus a barrel swivel and you'll still be hung in the shell.The best way to see how those Corky's really work is to spend about 500 hours working those baits in above mentioned conditions over shallow shell.Then you'll have some reliable data as to how to fish the magical famous Corky.The data looks good on paper gotta throw before you know.Good luck in your research!!!!
                      Whats this corky and catch 5 you speak of? Crazy talk if you what to get a mullet to sink to the bottom add a 1/4 oz slip weight on it. Also you need to focus on only the "ice cream" days from 8 to 11am the fishing is way better then.You can get limits then. Pffftt!!
                      Bacon Bacon Bacon!!!

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                      • #12
                        I've fished with Sneeky and Aqua Pimp.They both caught fish I didn't with the same bait.Time on the water is the most important factor.The more time out there the better you get at using any of the baits.

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                        • #13
                          Ray i try to stay away from the i scream days!I found out what low tide days are with Sneaky!kinda like lost and found!lol
                          I LIVE IN A SMALL COMMUNITY WITH A LARGE PROBLEM AND A PROBLEM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by fuzzy View Post
                            I've fished with Sneeky and Aqua Pimp.They both caught fish I didn't with the same bait.Time on the water is the most important factor.The more time out there the better you get at using any of the baits.
                            True fuzzy. There will always be people who are better at some things than the rest of us, like sports (fishing) the arts, science, and business for example. We all know people that fit that description. Time on the water will make you and I better fishermen, but there will always be those with a natural gift that we will never match.
                            "GET OFF MY REEF!"

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                            • #15
                              I've been catching limits of trout in west bay drifting throwing a fatboy and counting to 25 before starting to work the bait,most time's their hiting the bait as its slowly sinking.Even with the wind pushing 25-30 mph and a strong current.I have been weighting the sinking fatboy so at a count of 25 it will hit botton in 6.5 foot of water and working barely above the shell.The size of the trout are bigger on average than buddies who have been throwing bass assains out of the same boat on the same drift.Try using copper wire to weight the bait as it's easy to cut to different lengths with line snippers or needle nose pliers.I have been constantly adjusting the amount of wire depending on wind,current and water depth sometimes I'll change the weight a couple of times on the same drift to get the bait in perfect location.

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