GOP/House and Obama/reid

[Robalo]

Here we go again:

WASHINGTON (AP) — House Republican leaders are planning to push their own bill to reopen the government and avoid a financial default.
Officials told The Associated Press on Tuesday that Speaker John Boehner and other GOP leaders have outlined a bill that would keep the government running through Jan. 15 and raise the debt limit to Feb. 7. The measure is separate from a deal emerging in the Senate.
The bill also would suspend a tax on medical devices for two years, require income verification for subsidies to receive health insurance and eliminate health care subsidies for the president, vice president, his Cabinet and members of Congress.

The House plans to vote on Tuesday.
Officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren't authorized to publicly discuss the plans.

Obama rejects proposal:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The White House says the latest proposal from House Republican leaders for reopening the government and extending the nation's borrowing cap is a partisan effort to appease tea party conservatives. It praises bipartisan negotiations in the Senate as a good-faith effort to end the partial government shutdown and avoid an economy-shaking default.
The White House also announced it will meet with House Democratic leaders Tuesday afternoon as negotiations continue and a deadline to raise the debt ceiling moves ever closer.

White House spokeswoman Amy Brundage says a proposal from House GOP leaders that would attach health care law changes to shut-down and debt ceiling measures is a, quote, "partisan attempt to appease a small group of tea party Republicans who forced the government shut down in the first place."


LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT. OBAMA SAYS "NO" BECAUSE THE HOUSE ATTACHED RIDERS THAT PROVIDE FOR SOME OBAMACARE CHANGES SUCH AS OBAMA, THE CABINET AND CONGRESS ARE SUBJECT TO THE SAME LAW (OBAMACARE) THAT WE ARE SUBJECT TO AND THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!! IMPEACH THE BASTAGE.

SECONDLY, THE HOUSE/GOP DID NOT SHUTDOWN THE GUMMINT, REID AND OBAMA DID-THE HOUSE PASSED A BUDGET AND REID AND OBAMA SAID "NO THANKS" AND THEY ARE THE FOLKS THAT SHUTDOWN THE GUMMINT, NOT THE HOUSE-BUNCH OF GD LIARS. SPIN IT ANYWAY YOU WANT OBAMA-FACT IS, YOU, OBAMA, SHUT DOWN THE GUMMINT. MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, YOU FARGING IDIOT.

[Walker]

SECONDLY, THE HOUSE/GOP DID NOT SHUTDOWN THE GUMMINT, REID AND OBAMA DID-THE HOUSE PASSED A BUDGET AND REID AND OBAMA SAID "NO THANKS" AND THEY ARE THE FOLKS THAT SHUTDOWN THE GUMMINT, NOT THE HOUSE-BUNCH OF GD LIARS.

That stupid statement is like only offering me food made arsenic with when I am dying of starvation, telling me that it has a lethal dose of arsenic, and then saying that you did not starve me to death because I refused your food.

[Robalo]

That stupid statement is like only offering me food made arsenic with when I am dying of starvation, telling me that it has a lethal dose of arsenic, and then saying that you did not starve me to death because I refused your food.

Arsenic wasn't in the House Bill. So that is a stupid analogy.

In fact, those aholes aren't even subject to ObamaCare, so why the #uck do they even care about some GD law that they are exempt from anyway-pure BS.

Ya sorta miss the point-and miss it BIGTIME-a budget passed the House, but the Media (and folks that believe the BS from Obama's mouf) make it sound like the House caused the shutdown-they did not-they passed a budget as required by the Constitution. The whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution. It is and always has been "legislation by appropriation". NORMALLY, the Senate and POTUS try to NEGOTIATE-that's right-they negotiate BUT when a POS like Obama and Reid STATE they will NOT NEGOTIATE, that causes an impasse, which is what we have and Reid and Obama are the problem, once again.

Are you really saying that you think the changes the House is NOW pushing for is wrong-that Obama, Biden, the Cabinet and Congress should not be EXEMPTED from ObamaCare and that Obama should NOT have a blank farging check or ceiling on the budget (especially when he just throws money away, like Solyndra for a simple example)? If so, then you may want to read Animal Farm by Orwell. The House has made offers to meet and negotiate and Obama keeps saying NO. All this crap is Obama's fault due to his complete failure to negotiate-and negotiations are the basis of politics.

[Walker]

I fully understand the changes that the GOP wants, but the proper action is to let those changes go through government on their own merits.

I totally agree that government officials should be subject to exactly the same laws that the rest of us are. I take it even farther. I believe that, if you are an elected government official, your children MUST attend public schools.

The GOP has taken a hard-line stance that nothing is going to happen unless they have their way. That is NOT how our founding fathers intended for our government to work.

I solidly stand behind Reid's no negotiation position. Deal with the budget and debt ceiling on their own. Deal with other issues independently.

Don't give in to terrorists.

(Yes - I do equate the Tea Party to terrorists. Except that most terrorists are smarter than the average Tea Party supporter.)

[Robalo]

Whoa Walker. I respectfully disagree with your position on Reid and Obama-they are the ones FAILING to negotiate. They said our way or no way; whereas, Boehner has tried to meet and they are told NO, give us UNLIMITED debt power which is pure BS.

In the past administrations, all prior POTUS and Senate agreed to negotiate and they all came to agreement. Based on what you are saying is the exact converse to what you are stating that they MUST give in and give the idiot in charge a complete blank check or to eff off-that is a terroristic type threat more so than what the House has done or said and that is pure, unadulterated BS. Why is that any different than what the House originally proposed-they passed a budget w/o ObamaCare funded-the budget funded all else but had a limit on debt. For Reid and Obama to say eff you-our way or nothing is crap. Don't you see that? Those two idiots are the problem-they fail to give in and even discuss what is needed-they want to take their "ball" and go home if they can't play their favorite position and leave all on a field with no "ball", how childish is that and it is worse than what the House has done-at least the House offered to meet and negotiate but Noooo, I want my way or nothing.

The House regrouped, said OK, we'll just add a few things to ObamaCare, one of which is that all are subject to it. How come we never saw or heard in the Media that ObamaCare exempted Congress, et al? I believe it was an "add-on" because when it first came out (obamacare), ALL were subject to it and we were told that, now it is the Pigs that are allowed to walk on two feet, and no others-which is reason enough for every US Citizen to **** down Obama and Congress' throats and choke those bastages with the crap they **** on us.

[Walker]

Know what? We need to sit down with a six-pack or two for you and a fifth of rum or two for me and talk. I get too tired of typing - and I am open to listening, and enjoy talking to others with differing opinions that are open-minded. I don't learn jack sh*t talking to people that agree with me on everything.

I wish those f*ckers in DC (both sides) felt the same way.

P.S. I am 1000% in agreement regarding exempting Congress et al from the ACA. That is horse sh*t.

[Robalo]

Tea party-those are folks sick of the socialist agenda of the dummycrats and want "real change" not lies and the same ol same ol crap we been getting, plus they want fiscal responsibility and for the 53% to "pay their fair share" instead of sucking off the teats of the 47% that contribute to lowering the GD deficit-entitlement mentality is for the scum that won't get a farging job-is it fair to pay for some person that is capable of working but would rather stay home and collect welfare? Helll no, let the SOB starve or get a farking job-sheeit, you had to work, I work, so why is iot right for some leech to suck our lifeblood and sit on his worthless azz?

To call them tea party folks "terrorists" is far-fetched, wholly incorrect and shows a disdain for the Constitution IMO. To me, Obama is the antithesis of the Constitution-look at his actions, his books and his words-IMO he is a socialist hellbent on destroying the US, but he is not a terrorist and neither are the Sarah Palins-dumb yes in many instances (but also trying to reel in socialistic agendas), terrorist, no. Obama's peers are socialists and communists-and if you count his buddy Bill Ayers, terrorists, but I don't find Obama to be a terrorist-a self-righteous, egomaniac, constitution ignoring asswipe that uses "race" for his gains and is a demagogue preying on the ignorant and stupid. His Treyvon Martin coulda been my son remark-WTF is that remark from a Constitutional Lawyer-what happened to innocent until proven guilty and what other POTUS would use that instance to cause racial separation-NONE-all other POTTUS' would have said "Let the courts do their job" but not that POS POTUS-he used it to cause racial tensions and did so on purpose (unless he's truly so GD stupid he failed to recognize such a remark as racist and unjust). Go think about what you said and read up on the so-called shutdown and what legislation by appropriation means and how it is common practice by the House and Senate and Executive Branch to deal with passing laws or changes thereto-it's been going on for years and should continue, except for two idiots that fail.

[Robalo]

Sure Walker-if you tolerated Sandy for a week, you can surely tolerate me!!!

I just think that Reid and Obama need to sit down and open up discussions, not make a demand like the kid with the football in your back yard that cries and goes home with his ball. Boehner aint crying, he's trying. It's Reid and Obama that are taking their ball home and fark all others, leaving em in the backyard with no ball to play football. they need to sit and get it done, putting their hatreds and personalities aside and do what is best for the USA, not what is best for their selves.

[mgstei1]

So after 40 something times of trying and failing to make the law of the land not a law anymore and they still want to use that as a negotiable issue then who are the real non negotiators ? It aint Reid or our President!! Its a minority of far right republicans holding our great country financially hostage for them to prove that they are patriots and liberty seekers for the rest of us !!! Over a bunch of petty little wants or dreams.
And I do like your idea of making ALL americans have to have insurance under the ACA. That puts us all closer to a single payer system for health care and your hatred of so called socialism!! If I were you , you better rethink what you are asking of our congress members. Originally the ACA DID required congressmen to be under the ACA. The issue on that is their supplemental payments or entitlement to help pay some of the costs. If you work for an outstanding capitalistic business you probably get assistance on your medical policy after paying a small fee to your employer also. So what do you really want ? What I want is to open OUR government back up for business, pay our bills to keep the world financially stable and then work on budget items and negotiate on what the American people want or need to make this a better country. And not held hostage by a bunch of power seeking politicians that are only interested in getting reelected and hurting the legacy of this countries 1st black president.

[reeltime]

So after 40 something times of trying and failing to make the law of the land not a law anymore and they still want to use that as a negotiable issue then who are the real non negotiators ? It aint Reid or our President!! Its a minority of far right republicans holding our great country financially hostage for them to prove that they are patriots and liberty seekers for the rest of us !!! Over a bunch of petty little wants or dreams.
And I do like your idea of making ALL americans have to have insurance under the ACA. That puts us all closer to a single payer system for health care and your hatred of so called socialism!! If I were you , you better rethink what you are asking of our congress members. Originally the ACA DID required congressmen to be under the ACA. The issue on that is their supplemental payments or entitlement to help pay some of the costs. If you work for an outstanding capitalistic business you probably get assistance on your medical policy after paying a small fee to your employer also. So what do you really want ? What I want is to open OUR government back up for business, pay our bills to keep the world financially stable and then work on budget items and negotiate on what the American people want or need to make this a better country. And not held hostage by a bunch of power seeking politicians that are only interested in getting reelected and hurting the legacy of this countries 1st black president.

You sir are what is wrong with the democratic party and process to bring or put race into the equation.Is that all you got what the media who is imoo controlled for the most part..to blame the tea party..get real.

[Curmudgeon]

Oh yeah. It's all the Dem's fault.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A

[reeltime]

http://m.spectator.org/169477/show/6c0047c9854aa3a4ca67a9d81b49af14/?

This is a good read for you folks in the dark sipping you tea.

sent from my taxpayer-funded sail phone and yes the government is tapped into my talk

[mgstei1]

Its light now and I finished my tea. OUR great country is still being held hostage by 40 TPers who could care less about ALL americans while they spew their patriotism and liberty and hide behind their far right ways. I'm praying they pass a CR and raise the debt and then take up their fights and ideas and issues and see if their bills can pass the 3 branches of our government. The world is watching and the loan sharks will finish us off if they don't get their monies. All of this over Affordable Health Care for ALL Americans and a hatred for our 1st black president that the majority of Americans put in office TWICE.

[Robalo]

I prefer that ObamaCare be tossed, a budget be signed and socialists go to Russia-IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU MG?

Obama is a racist POS and you're saying he's "black" is incorrect. He is not black, he is mixed race like most people that contend they are "black" and WTF does it matter unless you are a racist also. Obama is clearly a racist, just as the Grand Dragon of the KKK is a racist.

A bunch of GD hypocrites, especially Obama and Reid-they are two PIGS at the ANIMAL FARM and you are just a cow or a chicken in their eyes.

Petty little wants and dreams-WTF are you talking about-there is nothing "petty" wanting our Constitution followed. Our own elected officials should be subject to the same laws the people are subject to. I'd like to see Pelosi in prison for all the millions she and her husband made off the insider trading they have done, but noooo, she's farking "exempt"-why? So she can make millions at the expense of the investors in a company and she only passed laws directly affecting that business but can short their stock before she sets forth a proposed law and KA CHING-GD beotch ought to be making license plates in California prison with her roomy, Bubbette the mangler.

[Robalo]

MG and some others need to read this (they obviously did not read my Thomas Sowell post-which, BTW MG, Sowell is so-called "black" if that makes any difference to you which apparently it does):

Courtesy of Reeltime's link:

The Real Reason for the Shutdown
The government is shut down for only one reason. Barack Obama and the Democrats wanted a shutdown. That is because Obama and the Democrats are so certain that the public will blame the Republicans. And they are certain of that because your dopey neighbors keep telling pollsters that the Republicans are at fault.

Listen, if your friends, neighbors, and relatives are upset about the shutdown, and they want it to end, they have the power to stop it immediately! All they have to do is tell pollsters that the shutdown is the fault of President Obama and the Democrats. If they will just do that, the shutdown will be over faster than you can say Your Mama.

I explained the shutdown to my son, one of the few young men his age in America with a good job, this way in a text, when he asked about it:

It is a good demonstration that we have too much government. A fourth of federal workers, 800,000, are sent home, and no one even notices. Obama and the Democrats wanted the shutdown because they are certain the public will blame the Republicans, and it is part of the grand Obama/Democrat strategy to manipulate the public into voting down the Republican House majority in 2014, the last check on Obama’s increasingly authoritarian rule. Democrats care ONLY about their own political POWER and nothing else. The poor, minorities, seniors, are all just used as props by the Democrats to expand their political power. Notice how easily the Democrats dropped seniors and slashed their Medicare when that was convenient to enact Obamacare, which is only all about another opportunity for massive expansion of their power.

The Republicans did everything they could to avoid a shutdown, and still represent their constituents, because they know what the Democrats are thinking, and licking their chops about. They know that the Democratic Party controlled media will tell everyone the shutdown is the Republicans’ fault. Candy Crowley, Ann Compton, David Gregory, George Stephanopoulos, and the rest of the Democrat operatives carrying on their revolution by other means, posing as journalists. This is the world we live in.

The Republicans are just doing what they were elected to do — stop Obama’s runaway socialist transformation of America, into a slow growth, lagging behind, former world-leading superpower. And as I recently explained in this space, they have done a good job. They have reversed the runaway Obama Democrat spending spree from O’s first two years, with total federal spending now actually declining, in actual dollars, the last two years in a row, since the Republican House majority was first elected in 2010. The last time that happened was right after the Korean War, 60 years ago.

And now the Republicans have bravely fought to reverse Obamacare, as the American people have been demanding, which they will do, once they get the chance, I am confident.

Democrats for Dictatorship
But the continuing resolution (CR) fight is well worth the price, for what the fight has revealed about the Democrats, if the low information voters out there would just put on their thinking caps and pay attention. Republicans have now passed three CRs to fund the government. President Obama and the Democrats have just sneered at them, and pronounced that they are the ruling class, and do not need to stoop to negotiate with Republicans about it.

President Reagan served his entire 8 years in office with a Democrat majority House run by the partisan Democrat Speaker “Tip” O’Neill. Reagan never refused to negotiate with O’Neill and his House Democrats. Reagan had them over to the White House to talk to him all the time. Consequently, Reagan got a lot done with them. They refused to even consider any entitlement reforms (payola for the Democrat political machine). But Reagan succeeded in getting them to agree to serious reductions in domestic discretionary spending.

Reagan got through the Democrat-controlled House in his very first year $31 billion in spending cuts, close to 5% of federal spending then, which would be the equivalent of about $175 billion in spending cuts today. And those cuts were co-sponsored by a House Democrat! In constant dollars, non-defense discretionary spending declined by 14.4% from 1981 to 1982, and by 16.8% from 1981 to 1983. Moreover, in constant dollars, this non-defense discretionary spending never returned to its 1981 level for the rest of Reagan’s two terms! By 1988, this spending was still down 14.4% from its 1981 level in constant dollars. Even with the Reagan defense buildup, which won the Cold War without firing a shot, total federal spending declined from a high of 23.5% of GDP in 1983 to 21.3% in 1988 and 21.2% in 1989. That’s a real reduction in the size of government relative to the economy of 10%.

President Reagan also got through Tip O’Neill’s Democrat-controlled House a 25% across the board cut in federal income tax rates for everybody, compromised down from the 30% cut he campaigned on. Then in his second term, he worked with the long-time Democrat Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee to achieve bipartisan support for the most sweeping tax reform in American history. As a result, during his time in office, President Reagan slashed the top federal income tax rate from an abusive, confiscatory 70%, all the way down to 28%, the greatest tax cut in world history.

As a result, the economy which the Democrats had left in shambles in the 1970s, with double-digit inflation, double-digit unemployment and double-digit interest rates, took off after a couple of years in the greatest economic boom in world history. Inflation was reduced to negligible levels at the same time, which all the Democrat poobahs said would be impossible, and federal tax revenues doubled as a result.

But President Reagan was a real leader, and heart and soul a product of middle-class American culture. Not a Marxist infiltrator who is not culturally an American, but raised during his formative years in Muslim Indonesia.

President Obama illegally granted Congress and its staff a special exemption to the requirements of Obamacare, contrary to the express language of the Obamacare law. Instead, Congress has its own special deal, financed by the taxpayers, with the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program (FEHBP). If Obamacare is such a good deal, why did even Nancy Pelosi go crying to President Obama on behalf of Congressional and staff Democrats when they realized they would lose this special FEHBP deal for themselves under the law?

The Republicans in their CR to fund the government expressly reiterated that Members of Congress and their staffs, as well as the President and Vice President and top Obama Administration political appointees, would all be subject to Obamacare in the Exchanges under the same rules as they have imposed on everyone else. But every Democrat in the Senate voted against that and in favor of the special exemption from Obamacare for themselves in the process of unpeeling and rejecting the Republican CR to fund the government. Landrieu, Pryor, Begich, every vulnerable Democrat.

President Obama illegally delayed the employer mandate in Obamacare for one year, again contrary to the express language of the Obamacare law. The Republicans in their CR to fund the government provided that the individual mandate on working people requiring them to buy the highly expensive health insurance that the government has chosen for them to buy, or pay a penalty, shall be delayed as well. But every Democrat in the Senate voted against that and in favor of imposing the individual mandate and penalty on working people next year, but not the employer mandate and its penalty on their big business contributors. That again includes Landrieu, Pryor, Begich, every vulnerable Democrat.

President Obama in fact has illegally delayed over 20 provisions of his own Obamacare law, contrary to the express provisions of that law, with no legal authorization to do so whatsoever. The Republicans in another CR to fund the government provided for a one year delay in the entire Obamacare law, which the President has already effectively admitted by his own actions is not ready for prime time. But every Democrat in the Senate just laughed this down as well.

Thus we have the Senate Democrats for Dictatorship Caucus. The one-year delay in all of Obamacare would have legally authorized the President’s illegal actions in all the parts of Obamacare he has illegally delayed. Without that, President Obama today is now effectively ruling by decree, without authorization of law, like the authoritarian ruler of a Third World, banana republic, with the full support of the Democratic Party.

House Republicans should respond by opening hearings, where witness after witness will recount all the illegal actions Obama has taken without authorization of law, indeed, contrary to his Constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed. Such unspeakable conduct in office by Obama cannot be defended, amounting to impeachable offenses, and that is not a point over which reasonable people can differ.

It does not matter that the Republicans cannot succeed in removing Obama from office in the face of the Democrat majority in the Senate. The point is first of all that the Republicans must stand up for the rule of law in America. This is not Argentina or Venezuela, as Barack Obama, Harry Reid, and the rest of today’s Democrats believe. Secondly, this action will dramatize to the American people Obama’s egregious conduct in office. Thirdly, this action will put Obama and the Democrats on the defensive, over conduct that they cannot publicly defend.

Meanwhile, the Republicans seem to have hit their stride passing bills to fund the most urgent pieces of the federal government one by one. This may break through to even the low information voters out there that it is the Republicans trying to fund the government, and the Democrats refusing to do a thing to do so. The Republicans should pass these as actual appropriations bills in fact, and announce that they stand ready to meet Senate Democrats on these bills in a Conference Committee to keep the government funded whenever the Senate Democrats show up for work.


I believe the House has done that but was continually told "NO" by Reid and Obama the supreme racist.