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  • Robalo
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    Thanks Harvey-we do agree on something regarding Politics-a bum is a bum! I just do not believe Obama has a true humanitarian agenda-I believe he has a Race Agenda and a Socialistic Agenda and he has done a complete disservice to the Citizens of the USA with his "policies" such as his Stimulus Plan which was a total failure, his welfare state plan to encourage more welfare recipients and his opening of our borders to illegals.

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  • Little Boat
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    Too often we as people don't think, but let our emotions determine our political stance instead of using logic and reason.

    To come up with a reasonable consistent, and logical position of how society should work, the first question you need to answer is:

    What do I as an individual owe to you, and what do you as an individual owe to me?

    The question is much deeper than it appears, and deserves deep thought.

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  • Little Boat
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    Oh...

    Since I am a free market libertarian, and socialism sucks, FDR is the WORST president we have ever had, and Obama is second. If Obama gets a second term, he'll have the opportunity to reverse the above.

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  • Little Boat
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    Originally posted by H.Maier View Post
    A person should have self dignity and not so much foolish pride that they turn their back on those less fortunate.
    Charity for our fellow man should be an individual personal decision, not a government mandate enforced at the point of a gun. I'm not being overly dramatic... if I refused to pay my taxes, if I refused to contribute to wlefare programs, and refused to show up at the IRS, or in court, law enforcement would come get me at the point of a gun. And if I resisted, they could go as far as killing me. Government has the authority to use lethal force in enforcing their policies.

    And here is the result of government mandated charity:

    1. Any taxpayer funded "charity" program is going to be subject to extensive corruption and abuse. (A historical example just to make it clear: Sheep farmers in Scotland each had their own land, but there was also a "common" area in the hills that was open to everyone to graze their sheep. It is not surprising that all the farmers ran their sheep on the commons as long as they possibly could, relieving their own pastures from grazing pressure. Result was that the "commons" were destroyed, grass eaten down to the roots. Do you think those farmers would have let that happen to their own land? No way. Private property will be cared for by the owner. "Commons" will be abused and trashed and cheated, "I gotta get as much as I can before someone else gets it". It is simply human nature.)

    2. Once a caring individual discovers that his taxes are funding a corrupt and abused program, he begins to detest those who are cheating, and the feeling spills over to all those who take from the system.

    So... liberal welfare programs steal my right to decide who should benefit from my hard-earned money. Again, I should not be forced to give charity. THAT is MY decision. When I have the right to choose, then I will not despise those who cheat, because I will give my charity only to those who I feel are not cheating.


    Originally posted by H.Maier View Post
    As for drug traffickers they haven't been slowed down since I was a young man therefore make cannabis legal for recreational use, tax and sell it with the alcohol in the liquor store for ages 21 and up. Take those funds and everyone will come out of the closet and we'll balance the national debt in three years.
    I can accept that. The current "war on drugs" is not even close to a "war". We have got to make up our minds to either win the war or quit fighting. If society truly believes that drugs are so horrible that we need a "war" to stop it, then let's pull out all stops and win the damn thing -- Automatic death penalty for anyone who is caught with any amount of illegal drugs. Now THAT is A WAR that can be won! On the other hand, if we are not willing to go that far, then stop all this mamby pamby slap-on-the-wrist enforcement, legalize it, and tax it.

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  • JT
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    Im still waiting to meet someone for Obama(Democrats) that "works" for a living and doesnt receive government assistance ($$$) of any kind, nor depends on the government to make a living.

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  • H.Maier
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    Originally posted by Robalo View Post
    Harvey-after almost 4 years, pointing fingers is getting quite old. It worked his first few teleprompter speeches, then just shows he is not truly a man. A real man accepts the way things are, takes charge and gets matters accomplished. A real man does not go through life blaming others for shortcomings. Obama had total control in his first 2 years and did nothing to kick start the economy-his Stimulus Plan is a failure and if you do not think so, then I am sorry for you because Obama wasted more money (OUR MONEY) than any previous POTUS in office.

    I implore you to read up on Jeffrey Immelt and how your money was spent by Obama. Further, how can anyone want a welfare society that has ever worked for a living? Do you enjoy seeing your money go to illegal aliens? Do you want to encourage more welfare mommas because they are a voting bloc for Obama? Do you encourage and support racial division as Obama does? Do you support supplying assault rifles to Mexican Drug Cartels and then having the responsible parties deny their obvious role by citing "executive privilege"? I hope your answer is NO to each of the above questions and hope you see Obama for what he really is-a socialist leaning, demogogue that is only in office for himself and wants to force his ideals down our throats, whether we like it or not-just like ObamaCare.
    My good and honorable friend, and( I sincerely mean that ), I honor your opinions as a good American and agree we have like views on more than one issue. I'm a Democrat because I believe in work for what you get in life i.e. a good days work for a good days pay. A person should have self dignity and not so much foolish pride that they turn their back on those less fortunate. I'm not speaking personally just generally about fellow man. If a person is truly a leech on society, they will eventually be outed for what they are and are doing. As for drug traffickers they haven't been slowed down since I was a young man therefore make cannabis legal for recreational use, tax and sell it with the alcohol in the liquor store for ages 21 and up. Take those funds and everyone will come out of the closet and we'll balance the national debt in three years.

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  • Robalo
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    My Prayer:

    DEAR GOD, PLEASE MAKE THE CITIZENS OF THE USA UNDERSTAND THAT OBAMA IS THE WORST POTUS EVER AND SHOULD BE VOTED OUT OF OFFICE IF NOT IMPEACHED DUE TO HIS VIOLATION OF US LAWS AND BEING AN ACCOMPLICE TO THE MURDER OF AGENT BRIAN TERRY. AMEN

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  • Robalo
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    Harvey-after almost 4 years, pointing fingers is getting quite old. It worked his first few teleprompter speeches, then just shows he is not truly a man. A real man accepts the way things are, takes charge and gets matters accomplished. A real man does not go through life blaming others for shortcomings. Obama had total control in his first 2 years and did nothing to kick start the economy-his Stimulus Plan is a failure and if you do not think so, then I am sorry for you because Obama wasted more money (OUR MONEY) than any previous POTUS in office.

    I implore you to read up on Jeffrey Immelt and how your money was spent by Obama. Further, how can anyone want a welfare society that has ever worked for a living? Do you enjoy seeing your money go to illegal aliens? Do you want to encourage more welfare mommas because they are a voting bloc for Obama? Do you encourage and support racial division as Obama does? Do you support supplying assault rifles to Mexican Drug Cartels and then having the responsible parties deny their obvious role by citing "executive privilege"? I hope your answer is NO to each of the above questions and hope you see Obama for what he really is-a socialist leaning, demogogue that is only in office for himself and wants to force his ideals down our throats, whether we like it or not-just like ObamaCare.

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  • H.Maier
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    Originally posted by JT View Post
    FDR was ok....Hes way down the list as the "best president ever" in the minds of conservative thinking southern people.

    But dont you also believe Obama is one of the best Presidents....ever? Case closed.
    Actually I think he's o.k. with the hand he was dealt. I'm going to see if he can do better in his second term.

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  • JT
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    Originally posted by H.Maier View Post
    " We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Franklin D. Roosevelt ( The greatest president this country has ever had, a Democrat.) One man cannot change this democracy. Not even romney.
    FDR was ok....Hes way down the list as the "best president ever" in the minds of conservative thinking southern people.

    But dont you also believe Obama is one of the best Presidents....ever? Case closed.

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  • Oleander Kayaker
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    Originally posted by H.Maier View Post
    " We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Franklin D. Roosevelt ( The greatest president this country has ever had, a Democrat.) One man cannot change this democracy. Not even romney.
    FDR was the first president to use government stimulus to intervene in the private economy. As a result, the policy prolonged the Great Depression. Despite that, yes he was a great 3-term president. He singularly had a huge influence on the democracy and politics, during and long after his terms in office.

    Check out chapter 4 of Jonah Goldberg's "Liberal Facism". (Full disclosure: I'm personally acquainted with Jonah)

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  • H.Maier
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    " We have nothing to fear but fear itself". Franklin D. Roosevelt ( The greatest president this country has ever had, a Democrat.) One man cannot change this democracy. Not even romney.

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  • JT
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    All you gotta do is look at the numbers of people that dont contribute (ie. folks that pay no taxes and folks that are on the government tittie) and you will see why he always has about 45% of the vote. He is destroying and 'changing" this country and give him 4 mo years wherein he has no worrys about promoting his agenda for fear of re-election, and see what happens.

    The truly great Roman Empire was when it was a "republic" (and we aint a pimple on the Roman Empires as$ in alot of ways, muchless longevity). The decline was when it turned into a "monarchy" and it took centuries...Look up monarchy and compare to what our King is saying and wanting government to do.

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  • Robalo
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    To answer your question Bruce: He would not succeed if he implemented a destroy all policy at once-something would stop him.

    His actions with opening the flood gates to illegal aliens is unconstitutional-he does not have the right to step on the laws by issuing dictums and he fails to look at the folks that have been complying with immigration laws but are yet still waiting-he only did the executive order on illegals to get votes-he did not do it to "better society"-if that was his intent, he could have done so on Day One but he waited at the expense of many of those illegals that were deported before his "order"-what does that show you? Does it show he really cares about the illegals? Helll No-he only cares about votes-that is why he waited-prettyy farging great aint it-he buttjerks those until it benefits himself-to hell with anyione else. And his Stimulus Money-what a farging joke. He gave BILLIONS of YOUR DOLLARS to overseas coporations and to giant companies like GE (of which their CEO is Obama's economic Stimulus Money "CZAR") and they spent it overseas. Millions went to help other countries "pollution" instead of using it here. He has ZERO Business sense-none-my terd this morning knows more about the economy and business than Obama ever will. I hope you and others that hold him in high esteem wake up and see what he really is: A demogogue with socialist ideals and a racist with no business sense whatsoever.

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  • Robalo
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    Originally posted by Curmudgeon View Post
    OK guys. I know y'all hate him, but perhaps a little logic might be in order here. Knowing that so many people think that he's an abomination and should never have been president in the first place much less a two term President, and also knowing that y'all think he's trying to destroy America: If he was really trying to do it in and is such a master of conspiracy don't you think he'd have taken care of it in his first term? After all, he 's trying to (as you say) destroy the country. He may never get another shot at it. If he was really going to do it I figured he'd have done it in the first term while he had the chance.
    Am I missing something?
    No Bruce you are not missing something. HE IS DESTROYING THE COUNTRY! I fail to understand how anyone can support his policies. His whole life has been centered around political upheaval and revolutionary ideals -his books evidence that, his whole "career" evidences that (if you call a "career" being a community organizer). While some of the original post is BS, much of it is direct quotes from his books. I have not read them-I hate the SOB bastaerd POS and would not give him the sweat off my scrotum if he was dying of thirst, so no way I'd spend 1 cent benefitting the lying, murdering, POS POTUS by purchasing his books. I do believe if the people that support him read his books, they may see him in a different light and not support him. The things he has done in his past are somehow left out of the media and the only reason I believe that is so, is solely due to the liberal bias of the networks. He is a racist-he uses the race card every chance he gets. He makes unjustified and morally wrong as well as unconstitutional comments like Trayvon Martin and his son remark-just unconscienionable for a so-called attorney to effectively condemn a person without the facts-and the Eric Holder Fast & Furious Fiasco/Murder-he gave Holder a "Pass" by instituting "Executive Privilege"-my god, to me, that is saying "Yes, we are guilty but farge you Congress and Agent Brian Terry's Family". Where are the bleeding hearts for Agent Brian Terry? Where are the bleeding hearts for being a bigot/racist? Where are the bleeding hearts for the lies he spews regarding the economy like when he touted 165,000 new jobs in July but left off the fact that over 180,000 more people lost jobs and unemployment benefits? He only says BS and his "Followers" swallow it like a seagull swallows a shrimp-they fail to question what he says and does-they seem to believe he is "godlike"-I almost hope they all move to some country and hold him on a pedestal like some folks held Rev. Jerry Jones and they all drink their Kool-aid and sing their last song.

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